If anything should have a "burst" mechanic with a long reload time, it should be remote reps.

Cap stable logi have no real resource for depletion. RR should have ammo and long reload timers. This adds additional decisionmaking to fleet fights, where a side that can properly stagger reps gets a big advantage over an unorganized fleet that just spams all their reps at once.

Please enlighten us. Is this a ship stats + modules + hull bonus + ammunition and weapon system together is TO POWERFUL. Or! Is this a ammunition is overpowered argument? If the later then please explain in detail why that is; and if the former. Then things get complicated.

I have YET TO READ A DETAILED explanation AS TO WHY LIGHT MISSILES ARE OVERPOWERED.

No, we are advocating that exactly this perception of yours is wrong. As we pointed a caracal will not be good at warping in and killing a few frigates. Because its ammo barely allows it to kill 1 frigate (and none if its t2). THerefore it will be LESS effective at warping in a frig gang and killing a few before being defeated or warping off.


DPS harndly ever is the main factor when you want to bring down a frigate alone, a caracal sould defeat her anyway in the old system. THat means no gain on that scenario. But if you warp into a group of 4 frigates, with the new system you will be in worse conditions.

Just out of curiosity, when is the last time you have killed a cruiser, with say, fewer than 4 people and/or with anyone in your fleet using hmls? When was the last time you flew something other than a frigate or destroyer?

Edit: Ive gone back 6 months so far and I cant find one, but maybe I missed one?

i read it repeatedly but HVM are not fine against cruisers !

GÇáRLML for solo welcome OP RLML large fleets....

or lets say:

"RLML are dead, Long live RLML!"

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i would support pg increase for rlml instead of proposed change
so 3x lse and xl-asb+lse fits are no longer possible
that would imho fix the issue

Err, not really. HAM is a short range weapon with bad damage application to anything smaller than a battlecruiser. Tengu blobs with SRLML could be... well, not something you would like to see on the other side.

Alright.

If the missile systems mentioned in the OP would receive an overall DPS buff (1.5 times of what other missile systems of comparable size do) I could maybe imagine RLML and RHML as worthwhile.

Also, seeing as a T2 HML already fits around 40 missiles, it's rather preposterous to assume a larger launcher would only be able to load 28 missiles. Take the ammo capacity of the standard LML and HML, then buff rate of fire while nerfing reload speed.

Make it a truly devastating weapon - hell, give RHML fit Golems the ability to spike 2000-3000 DPS without factoring in reloads, with the caveat of having to wait for almost a minute once they've run dry.

Basically, survive the first barrage and stand a good chance of either burning away or obliterating your target - or continuously tanking the damage and repping up once they've shot their wad.

Also, this concept basically puts all Caldari missile boats at a disadvantage because they're only bonused for kinetic damage.

Really? How incredibly fortunate missile pilots are, being the only one's in game with 4 (four!) niche weapon systems:
- rapid light missiles
- rapid heavy missiles
- heavy missiles
- heavy assault missiles

Having that much luck soon they can expect two more niche systems coming:
- swarm rockets
- rapid cruise missiles

Train Caldari, the most specialized race in EvE.

Range is not a problem, damage application is. They are usable of course, just not nearly as good as medium turrets, which makes them kinda semi-niche. Try to hit a frigate or speedy cruiser with HAM's. What you can easily kill are noobs, with skilled pilot you will struggle even if you are skilled yourself. Turrets are different cause with good piloting you can make a difference. Web makes everything better, sure thing but... it's not always easy to fit web on a shield tanked ship.

AC don't have terrible damage and never have. Lasers, if you use the small version can track and take out frigates and destroyers with easy usually, blasters don't have much range, but if you get in ther range or you use a Caldari blast boat which gives them pretty alright range, you will rock whatever you are attacking, the amount of damage blasters do, little will stand up against them. And range guns usually always nail their target no matter the size of target or size of guns. It's not umcommon to see 1400mm, or 425mm or etc take out frigates and destroyers with little issue one on one even. When was the last time you saw a cruise boat or torp boat take a frigate out one on one? Rapids aren't OP at all, and if the issue is that they can hit far and do what close guns can, find I'm game change raipds into HAMs and rockets, so they don't get such range.

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Pulses have good enough tracking that you can kill a frigate if you know how. Same with other two systems, you can use them to your advantage, which you cannot do in the same way with heavy assault missiles.

Are you sure? According to EFT you can do it in scram / web range using INM crystals (0.1 tracking) and somewhere between 9 and 10 km your applied damage should be about 80%. EFT aside, I remember doing it while testing things on numerous occasions but at the moment I cannot confirm EFT numbers with certainty.

EDIT: If you overheat your web and with flying to negate transversal at 11 km (where INM optimal ends) you could be able to do near full damage to afterburner fitted Merlin. Sadly, I'm unable to repeat the same fighting simulation these days so I can't tell what correct numbers are.

If you are scrammed and webbed with frigate in close orbit, then forget it. Not each and every frigate has a web or scram though, there are still certain circumstances in which you can apply at least 50% more damage comparing to HAM's.

When we get our old RLML back I will agree with you. Until then no nO NO NO NO.

I'm sure all newbies missioning in Caracal would agree with you.

Right, the trouble is that he will be able to hold you for his friends. At the moment the only option left for a solo RLML Caracal pilot is to never engage more than 1 tanked frigate if he want to make proper use of the new weapon platform (hit and run before reinforcements arriving). As a gank weapon is very nice in gangs but kinda sucks for solo on regular platforms (Tengu is still great).

AAR reps 156 every 6 seconds for 48 seconds (holding 8 nanite paste), combined with a T2 repper, it will tank a caracal quite easily (with good skills). By the time the AAR is out of paste, the caracal is out of missiles.

Please post the setup for your Comet. Assuming both rail or blaster + AB , web and scram + 1 Ancillary repp setup, you will have to run from the Incursus I posted before you cap out. You might resist longer if you give up the web and fit a cap booster tough